Talk:Pokémon 3rd Generation

Article Discussion

I agree that the different generations should be grouped together, particularly when related to hacking, but I'm not sure how. You may have noticed the many updates I've been doing on DC the last few days, especially on the Pokémon-related articles.

You can see an example of the set-up I've established here: Pokémon Second Generation (a Disambiguation page), but I'm starting to feel that the "(Official Game/s)" and "(Hacking)" differentiation isn't necessary, since it creates confusion among articles. If anything, we could remove the various "Official Game/s" and add some of that information to "(Hacking)" articles, since my point was to provide information on the actual games and their features, which you could then move over to the technical aspects of them on the "(Hacking)" articles.

I'd love to hear any opinion, since without a standard for articles I'm afraid to move on too much more. Redstar 19:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You could have a part "About the game" (or in Pokémon's case "games"). For example, the page for, say, Super Mario Bros could have headers (or subpages if it's too large) with a summary of the game itself with any technical data like the NES's mapper used as before, followed by the romhacking data. --Kawa 08:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I just took a look at that 2nd gen example, and that's close enough to what I just said. --Kawa 08:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Looked around some more, and I stick with the idea that the Pokémon games (per generation) are too damn similar to warrant seperate pages. The specials (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald and Platinum) may be quite different, but most of that is only plot and some added content. --Kawa 08:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well what I'm thinking of doing is making only four articles, named "Pokémon First Generation", "Pokémon Second Generation", etc. Each article will have the story of the game (to differentiate from hack stories), a list of features (so hackers can get an idea of what they can work with/around), then the article will move on to the actual hacking information and deal with utilities, etc. The actual "raw" data for ROM and RAM Maps, Notes, etc. will be linked to individual articles, most of which are already created and just need updating.

My whole point in splitting the articles into (Official Games) and (Hacking) was because I wanted people to get an idea of the game from an official stand-point, then just click over to the technical information for hacking. I also wanted to put up individual histories, such as when that game first started being hacked, by who, and when breakthroughs were made. But that specifically might be hard to find information on (most hackers back then are anonymous or forgotten).

So it's either this: keep the articles split, but merge the various (Official Games) articles for one specific generation into one article and the same for the (Hacking) articles, or just merging all the information from one generation into a huge article. Redstar 08:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I choose the former. --Kawa 09:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll get right on merging the various articles. And as for what to do next, you could check out the Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (Hacking) and Pokémon Emerald (Hacking) pages and update the ROM, RAM, Notes, etc. information if you can. If you do, make sure to apply {{rommap|game=''name of game''}} to the top of all ROM Map pages, this {{rammap|game=''name of game''}} to all RAM Map pages, and this {{TBL|game=''name of game''}} to all TBL pages so they'll automatically be added to the categories.

Also, if the information for FireRed and LeafGreen (or even Emerald) are almost entirely the same, let me know here and I'll just merge the infoboxes and the ROM, RAM, etc. pages. Redstar 20:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Trust me, aside from some functions like contests and berries, and the inevitable pointer differences, they are all the same. --Kawa 08:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Do we have to have separate ROM/RAM maps for each color? I kind like the method used in this article... --Kawa 09:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

If the similarities between the five games are that similar, than no. (I can't say the same for the previous generations). I'll merge the three main games for the third generation, but leave FireRed and leafGreen separate for now. Redstar 21:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I've merged the various third generation pages. Hopefully this works for you: Pokémon Ruby Sapphire and Emerald. Redstar 21:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Changed "Work In Progress" notice

I removed references to Kawa ("this is a work in progress by Kawa") since he hasn't made any edits since he created the page in 2009. I've also removed some other meta- stuff since this generally belongs in the talk page. Snarfblam (talk) 17:35, 1 December 2013 (EST)

Corrections and Additions

With the progress with MEH, my personal open-source and cross-platform map editor, I've made quite a few corrections and additions to the mapping format. There were quite a lot of errors as well as dated information in the article and new data has been found since the document's creation. --Shinyquagsire23 (talk) 22:01, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

New locations/ranges (to be added once articles are organized)

(FireRed) 02036E5C: 1=Mewtwo appears, 192=doesn't appear
On the GB versions, there are packed bits indicating if objects like items are present. There are 2 different bits for Mewtwo on those versions. First if the NPC appears, another if NPC spawns a battle. So be aware that that byte might do other things. Setting this to 1 lets you catch unlimited numbers of them, but since you can just reset or load saved-states, this is more for convenience. Alphamule (talk) 20:20, 14 September 2015 (EDT)